Ascot Forum
Second Generation Ascots => The V-Twin Years: Stock To Lightly Modified => Topic started by: scott s on June 14, 2017, 03:10:10 pm
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Posted about a potential purchase:
http://ascot500.com/index.php?topic=798.0
And made the deal today. Got a killer deal on this and a CB360. The Ascot is a keeper, not sure what I'll do with the 360 yet.
Bike is in nice shape with a little over 11K miles. Minor scratches and needs some elbow grease and compounding, but the bodywork is straight and not cracked or dented. The tank needs a minor cleaning, but only above the line of the old gas. No rust through or thin spots; very solid and straight.
I know it needs fork seals, all fluids and normal tune up stuff. The front caliper is completely missing, so I'll have to replace that and go through the brakes. I'll clean the carbs, just because (unless ya'll think I should try firing it up as-is and see what happens). Overall, a SOLID bike that doesn't need much at all!
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z189/uberkafer/Ascot/19113648_10209672388912599_546717939286789337_n_zpsvnkm1kmr.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/uberkafer/media/Ascot/19113648_10209672388912599_546717939286789337_n_zpsvnkm1kmr.jpg.html)
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(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z189/uberkafer/Ascot/19105775_10209672389632617_3418190022226389178_n_zpsgopjrpna.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/uberkafer/media/Ascot/19105775_10209672389632617_3418190022226389178_n_zpsgopjrpna.jpg.html)
In the van....
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...and after a quick bath.
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I plan on doing some minor "bolt on" cosmetic stuff, such as smaller turn signals, maybe a rear fender eliminator, probably do SOMETHING with the headlight and gauges (number plate or a round headlight?) and maybe a Trailtech Vapor gauge unit, depending on which way I go with the lighting.
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While your cleaning carbs, changing oils, etc, and replacing the caliper it is always a good idea to replace the 30+ year old brake hoses as they deterioate from the inside and go soft.
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Oh, definitely. Always on my "to do" list.
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I have used a few of these Chinese made ones with no problems (they make other lengths). My son works at a hydarulic shop and tested one to 3,000psi for me, so I they will never get that much pressure from your hand/foot. I wrap them in black heatshrink and they look like originals but give much better feel at the lever/pedal.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/172586472580?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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I cross referenced the caliper part # and found one from the same year Shadow that had everything I needed; hanger, bolts, caliper, etc. Only about $35 shipped. I happened to already have a brand new master cylinder and there's a hydraulics shop near my house that makes brake hoses. I can get a braided stainless hose, pressure tested, for pennies on the dollar compared to what Galfer, etc., charge.
Pulled the tank and drained out the old gas. What size is the petcock bung? Looking for something to cap it off to soak and clean the tank.
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Got the old gas out and soaked the tank with EvapoRust.
Before:
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After (the line is where I initially started with only one gallon and was moving the tank around to soak. Ended up topping it off with another gallon):
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Looks good.
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I pulled the air filter and 75% of the foam was GONE. But there was a nice stash of kibbles in the air box. It never ceases to amaze me where the varmints can get.
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Cleaned the housing with Simple Green and carb cleaner. Vacuumed and wiped out the air box. Used some leftover UNI foam and made a new filter.
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Pulled the carbs and I'm glad I did. I can still smell the old gas that came out, and while the throttle turned, the slides were stuck. Diaphragms are good. I dropped them and the CB360 carbs off with my carb guy.
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Got the oil and filter changed in the VT. It uses the same filter my VF500 uses and I just happened to have a couple on hand.
I gathered up the stuff for the brakes but was stymied by some stuck pistons in the caliper I picked up. I just have a little 3 gallon compressor and it wouldn't pop them out . I'll drop it off at my buddy's shop and have him pop them out.
I had a new 16mm master cylinder on hand. Bought it for the VF500 and ended up not needing it. I picked up some EBC pads and had a stainless hose made at a local hydraulics shop. Only $24!
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Found these bars at the local Mom 'n' Pop motorcycle shop. NOS Honda CRF230F bars for only $35. I had to finagle them a bit because of the non-detachable cross bar, but they work. It's amazing what a simple bar change can do!
The controls aren't fully tightened down yet. I'll do that once I have the seat on.
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......and had a stainless hose made at a local hydraulics shop. Only $24!
Scott: How long is your new brake hose? Is it the same lenght as the original? How long is the original?
The hose on my Ascot needs to be replaced but it's not original and too long so I can't used that as a guide for replacement length.
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......and had a stainless hose made at a local hydraulics shop. Only $24!
Scott: How long is you new brake hose? Is it the same lenght as the original? How long is the original?
The hose on my Ascot needs to be replaced but it's not original and too long so I can't used that as a guide for replacement length.
Overall length is 46", and that includes the banjos, tip to tip. I got held up on the brake job as the replacement caliper was stuck solid. Heat, penetrating fluid, even 150 PSI of air and it wouldn't budge.
I got a full refund and have another on the way. I also picked up a drilled rotor.
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Oh, and I no longer have the stock hose, but that's what I used to have the new one made, so I guess it's still stock length.
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Thanks for the measurement Scott.
Stuck calipers on this vintage of bike are pretty common. Using air pressure to pop them out can be dangerous. Better option is to use the hydraulic pressure of the brake system to pump them out. Or if that's not an option, thread a grease nipple into the bleed valve, plug the hose inlet with a bolt, and pump the pistons out using a low pressure grease gun. Either way you have to use use something (like a thin block of wood) wedged in the caliper gap to prevent one piston from popping out before both pistons are moving. I've read that boiling the caliper in water for a few minutes can help free things up but I haven't tried that myself.
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I also am a fan of Evaporust.
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I've used the grease gun method on CB model single piston calipers. I'm not sure even that would work on this one, and even if it did it would probably require a ~$90 rebuild kit. Cheaper to just get a replacement.
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Over the last few days I've gotten the radiator flushed and coolant changed. Changed the gear oil in the final drive. Rebuilt the forks and installed a new (old) drilled rotor, braided S.S. hose, EBC pads and new master cylinder.
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Also ordered some new tires; Kenda K-761's.
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Is that rotor a stock one that you had drilled or is it from another model?
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Is that rotor a stock one that you had drilled or is it from another model?
It's from a '95 Shadow. I cross referenced the part # and the drilled rotor(s) were used on several other Honda models.
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But a drilled rotor, even if it's the same size, would have a different part number, no ?
In any case, it looks groovy!
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But a drilled rotor, even if it's the same size, would have a different part number, no ?
In any case, it looks groovy!
I used the models mentioned it this thread: http://ascot500.com/index.php?topic=669.msg3702#msg3702
I went to the parts fiche and looked up the part #'s for those models, then cross referenced them again. That opened up a few more models that used the same drilled rotors.
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After struggling with the rear axle nut for over an hour.... heat, impact gun, PB Blaster, you name it....I was finally able to free it by having the GF hold the axle with a screwdriver on the opposite side while I used a 2 ft. piece of PVC pipe on a 2 ft. breaker bar. It was just stuck with corrosion and age. I cleaned it up and lubed everything properly on reassembly.
New tires mounted and balanced and brakes properly adjusted.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z189/uberkafer/Ascot/19702060_10209872475034627_8279003116298767820_n_zpschssiule.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/uberkafer/media/Ascot/19702060_10209872475034627_8279003116298767820_n_zpschssiule.jpg.html)
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Nice and meaty all the way around and still clears the fender and swing arm with room to spare.
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I like how those tires look. What are the sizing details?
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110/90-18 and 120/90-18.
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Used an XL600R headlight assembly and modified the brackets so that it bolts right up to the stock Ascot headlight ears. Lowers the headlight almost two inches and covers up the gauges. The turn signals are smaller versions of the stock signals.
I'll neaten up the wiring behind it before final mounting. It will be painted black to match the bodywork with maybe a couple of small grey and white pin stripes in the outline of the existing black area. Grey and white to match the side covers and the wings on the tank.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z189/uberkafer/Ascot/19961613_10209952071704494_5221735313240631134_n_zpseeaf19mb.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/uberkafer/media/Ascot/19961613_10209952071704494_5221735313240631134_n_zpseeaf19mb.jpg.html)
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Very neat.
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Rick at Oldskool Carbs did a great job, as usual. Installed these and didn't have to touch them (at least not while running off the I.V. bottle).
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I don't know why vids embed on every other forum but this one, and I'm not smart enough to figure it out, so here ya go:
https://youtu.be/Sj-a0FtBaxQ
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Got the fairing and bodywork back from the painter. He buffed out the original paint and color matched the fairing. Looks really nice, I think.
The petcock is leaking behind the selector lever, but only when in ON or RES, not on OFF. It's a riveted type and I don't know if they're rebuildable or not. Also, while the bike ran great on the IV bottle, I think the slow jet in the rear carb is now plugged. Doesn't want to run on that cylinder at idle and there's a big surge of power when I get above the pilot jet circuit. Guess I'll be tearing this thing back down to remove/rebuild/replace the petcock and clean the carbs one more time.....GRRR!
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Looking great.
The petcock can be rebuilt if you drill the rivets out and thread the holes with 3mm and put small screws in to hold together.
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I just ordered a replacement petcock. I'll loose the vacuum assist, but I don't care. I think I'm going to try replacing the petcock, flushing/rinsing the tank while it's off and running some Seafoam through the carbs. Can't hurt and easier that pulling the carbs again.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVIvdSQisN4
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Looks good!
That XR headlight surround fits the bike well.
Nice neighborhood.
J.